the seacoast of NH has a bunch of boxes as well as the central part of the state.
heck, i could come out and play a bit if you come around, that is if i don't have to work.

beware of the cootie crew
david (team new hampshire)
http://teamnewhampshire.blogspot.com


tony pecchia wrote:
We are looking to do a three-four day stint somewhere in the NE area for LBing. We have already been in the SE Mass area where we live. Does anyone know of a good LB area in maybe Northern MA, or CT, or even NH, VT, or ME? We don't want to start logging in clues, making the drive, and not finding anything.

Tony

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In a message dated 3/9/2007 10:56:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
anthony.pecchia@cox.net writes:

We are looking to do a three-four day stint somewhere in the NE area for
LBing. We have already been in the SE Mass area where we live. Does anyone
know of a good LB area in maybe Northern MA, or CT, or even NH, VT, or ME? We
don't want to start logging in clues, making the drive, and not finding
anything.

Tony


Tony,

Andover MA has a lot of good boxes and most of them exist and are in good
shape. The placers in that area are very responsible boxers and they maintain
the boxes very well.

Larry
Lundy and Vickster
North Shore, Massachusetts



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We don't have a week pegged down yet, but it will be some time in April, after Easter.

Tony

----- Original Message -----
From: david baril
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] NE Lbs


the seacoast of NH has a bunch of boxes as well as the central part of the state.
heck, i could come out and play a bit if you come around, that is if i don't have to work.

beware of the cootie crew
david (team new hampshire)
http://teamnewhampshire.blogspot.com


tony pecchia wrote:
We are looking to do a three-four day stint somewhere in the NE area for LBing. We have already been in the SE Mass area where we live. Does anyone know of a good LB area in maybe Northern MA, or CT, or even NH, VT, or ME? We don't want to start logging in clues, making the drive, and not finding anything.

Tony

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uhhhh . . . you know, there is another NE state that has AMPLE letterboxes
to be found. What's with the discrimination?!!!


From: "tony pecchia"
Reply-To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
To:
Subject: [LbNA] NE Lbs
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 22:50:14 -0500

We are looking to do a three-four day stint somewhere in the NE area for
LBing. We have already been in the SE Mass area where we live. Does anyone
know of a good LB area in maybe Northern MA, or CT, or even NH, VT, or ME?
We don't want to start logging in clues, making the drive, and not finding
anything.

Tony

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No, Pete, I don't think Canada qualifies as a NE state.... nice try tho. =)

Pete Mandeville wrote: uhhhh . . . you know, there is another NE state that has AMPLE letterboxes
to be found. What's with the discrimination?!!!


From: "tony pecchia"
Reply-To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
To:
Subject: [LbNA] NE Lbs
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 22:50:14 -0500

We are looking to do a three-four day stint somewhere in the NE area for
LBing. We have already been in the SE Mass area where we live. Does anyone
know of a good LB area in maybe Northern MA, or CT, or even NH, VT, or ME?
We don't want to start logging in clues, making the drive, and not finding
anything.

Tony

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oh, that state gets all the attention already.
why would it need anymore?

david (team new hampshire)
http://teamnewhampshire.blogspot.com


Pete Mandeville wrote:
uhhhh . . . you know, there is another NE state that has AMPLE letterboxes
to be found. What's with the discrimination?!!!

From: "tony pecchia"
Reply-To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
To:
Subject: [LbNA] NE Lbs
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 22:50:14 -0500

We are looking to do a three-four day stint somewhere in the NE area for
LBing. We have already been in the SE Mass area where we live. Does anyone
know of a good LB area in maybe Northern MA, or CT, or even NH, VT, or ME?
We don't want to start logging in clues, making the drive, and not finding
anything.

Tony

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Mansfield Ct area has many LB's, There are motels in Manchester about 20 miles away.

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--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "tony pecchia"
wrote:
> We don't want to start logging in clues, making the drive, and not
finding anything.
>
> Tony

Is this a joke?

Brian
TeamGreenDragon

That state is so small it could be it's own letterbox.

Bicycling George

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Pete Mandeville"
wrote:
>
> uhhhh . . . you know, there is another NE state that has AMPLE
letterboxes
> to be found. What's with the discrimination?!!!
>
>

a small group (3 LB's and I)
started the COMB CITY QUEST
in January
13 boxes
which has to be finished by JULY
we are half there
and the boxes are
nicely planned, carved, and clued
so you might want to try that

also there is another one in the same area we place to
a 10 box trail

so north central mass is a good location right now
we think

dixie darlin'

If you're referring to RI, that's where I live. I just forgot to mention it.

Tony

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Is what a joke?

Tony

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian, Ryan & Lori
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 11:20 AM
Subject: [LbNA] Re: NE Lbs


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "tony pecchia"
wrote:
> We don't want to start logging in clues, making the drive, and not
finding anything.
>
> Tony

Is this a joke?

Brian
TeamGreenDragon





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Watch yourself son. You might find your bike w/ 2 flat tires!


From: "colletteftbt"
Reply-To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] NE Lbs
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:09:01 -0000

That state is so small it could be it's own letterbox.

Bicycling George

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Pete Mandeville"
wrote:
>
> uhhhh . . . you know, there is another NE state that has AMPLE
letterboxes
> to be found. What's with the discrimination?!!!
>
>

I have 6 bikes, 2 of them are letterboxes and it is not nice to
destroy letterboxes.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Pete Mandeville"
wrote:
>
> Watch yourself son. You might find your bike w/ 2 flat tires!
>
>
> From: "colletteftbt"
> Reply-To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [LbNA] NE Lbs
> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:09:01 -0000
>
> That state is so small it could be it's own letterbox.
>
> Bicycling George
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Pete Mandeville"
> wrote:
> >
> > uhhhh . . . you know, there is another NE state that has AMPLE
> letterboxes
> > to be found. What's with the discrimination?!!!
> >
> >
>

Yep, he's referring to RI. That's where Pete used to live too, until he felt the need to move to the MUCH larger state of....DELAWARE! LOL

Sheba
Claymont DE

tony pecchia wrote:
If you're referring to RI, that's where I live. I just forgot to mention it.

Tony



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Sheba, have you seen, "What About Bob?" . . . . baby steps . . baby steps.
Some day I may work myself up to, I don't know . . . Indiana size?


From: Suzanne Coe
Reply-To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] NE Lbs
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 19:29:28 -0800 (PST)

Yep, he's referring to RI. That's where Pete used to live too, until he
felt the need to move to the MUCH larger state of....DELAWARE! LOL

Sheba
Claymont DE

tony pecchia wrote:
If you're referring to RI, that's where I live. I just forgot to mention
it.

Tony



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Hey, any growth is good. =)

I'm not complaining--we're richer for several good boxes (& more to come I trust!)

Pete Mandeville wrote:
Sheba, have you seen, "What About Bob?" . . . . baby steps . . baby steps.
Some day I may work myself up to, I don't know . . . Indiana size?


From: Suzanne Coe
Reply-To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] NE Lbs
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 19:29:28 -0800 (PST)

Yep, he's referring to RI. That's where Pete used to live too, until he
felt the need to move to the MUCH larger state of....DELAWARE! LOL

Sheba
Claymont DE

tony pecchia wrote:
If you're referring to RI, that's where I live. I just forgot to mention
it.

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So THAT'S why i haven't seen you in PA. Still workin' up to it, huh?

Pete Mandeville wrote: Sheba, have you seen, "What About Bob?" . . . . baby steps . . baby steps.
Some day I may work myself up to, I don't know . . . Indiana size?

From: Suzanne Coe
Reply-To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] NE Lbs
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 19:29:28 -0800 (PST)

Yep, he's referring to RI. That's where Pete used to live too, until he
felt the need to move to the MUCH larger state of....DELAWARE! LOL

Sheba
Claymont DE

tony pecchia wrote:
If you're referring to RI, that's where I live. I just forgot to mention
it.

Tony

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Suzanne Coe wrote on 3/11/2007, 7:37 AM:

> Yep, he's referring to RI. That's where Pete used to live too, until he
> felt the need to move to the MUCH larger state of....DELAWARE! LOL

AKA the "Lower Three Counties"

The invation is coming, eventually.
--
Nathan Brown

AKA Cyclonic
Penncoasters.com

The insensitivity rolls on...
Hillary Clinton is just Hugo Chavez in a pant suit.

Andover , MA is a great area!!!

and NH is having an event on St Patty's day as well... near Dover,NH

Mainekokopellian

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "tony pecchia"
wrote:
>
> We are looking to do a three-four day stint somewhere in the NE area
for LBing. We have already been in the SE Mass area where we live.
Does anyone know of a good LB area in maybe Northern MA, or CT, or even
NH, VT, or ME? We don't want to start logging in clues, making the
drive, and not finding anything.
>
> Tony
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "mainekokopellian"
wrote:
>
> Andover , MA is a great area!!!

oldhounder and Siamese second mainekoko's comment. If you want a
northeastern MA area with a good concentration of well-maintained
boxes having interesting and well-carved stamps, Andover is the place
to go. Don't suppose that Choi lives there has anything to do with
it, do you?

oldhounder

Yes, I figure in NE you can't throw a rock and not hit a LB. As
compared to the relative dearth in other areas... like central NJ.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Brian, Ryan & Lori"
wrote:
>
> Is this a joke?
>
> Brian
> TeamGreenDragon
>

Sorry, don't agree. If I'm spending several hours between deciphiring clues, going to the location, and searching, the LB had better be there. I think it's a little crass to place a box, post the clues, and then never check up on it. Especially when there are people who do a considerable amount of travelling for LBing.

Tony

----- Original Message -----
From: uneksia
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: NE Lbs


i might be wrong but i don't think tgd is referring to the number of
letterboxes around new england, but rather the idea of "making the drive,
and not finding anything." letterboxing is not about finding anything. it is
about the experience.

smile
uneksia



-------Original Message-------

From: Rick from Boca
Date: 03/13/07 09:12:54
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Re: NE Lbs

Yes, I figure in NE you can't throw a rock and not hit a LB. As
compared to the relative dearth in other areas... like central NJ.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Brian, Ryan & Lori"
wrote:
>
> Is this a joke?
>
> Brian
> TeamGreenDragon
>



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Boxes could go missing right after the most concientous placer checks them.
You always run that risk of not finding a box. You should get used to it.
That's why some of us enjoy the hunt and look at the box as a bonus.

Mark

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "tony pecchia"
I think it's a little crass to place a box, post the clues, and then never check up on it. Especially when there are people who do a considerable amount of travelling for LBing.

Tony
.


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i might be wrong but i don't think tgd is referring to the number of
letterboxes around new england, but rather the idea of "making the drive,
and not finding anything." letterboxing is not about finding anything. it is
about the experience.

smile
uneksia



-------Original Message-------

From: Rick from Boca
Date: 03/13/07 09:12:54
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Re: NE Lbs

Yes, I figure in NE you can't throw a rock and not hit a LB. As
compared to the relative dearth in other areas... like central NJ.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Brian, Ryan & Lori"
wrote:
>
> Is this a joke?
>
> Brian
> TeamGreenDragon
>



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Dude and I both agree it's all about the journey. The box is nice, but we're still happy even when we don't find it.

uneksia wrote: i might be wrong but i don't think tgd is referring to the number of
letterboxes around new england, but rather the idea of "making the drive,
and not finding anything." letterboxing is not about finding anything. it is
about the experience.

smile
uneksia



-------Original Message-------

From: Rick from Boca
Date: 03/13/07 09:12:54
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Re: NE Lbs

Yes, I figure in NE you can't throw a rock and not hit a LB. As
compared to the relative dearth in other areas... like central NJ.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Brian, Ryan & Lori"
wrote:
>
> Is this a joke?
>
> Brian
> TeamGreenDragon
>



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I understand that, but it gets frustrating, even with the more ambigous clues, when you don't know if you've actually found the right spot. Especially when you contact the placer to double check and they never respond.

Tony

----- Original Message -----
From: mjpepe1@comcast.net
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: NE Lbs


Boxes could go missing right after the most concientous placer checks them.
You always run that risk of not finding a box. You should get used to it.
That's why some of us enjoy the hunt and look at the box as a bonus.

Mark

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "tony pecchia"
I think it's a little crass to place a box, post the clues, and then never check up on it. Especially when there are people who do a considerable amount of travelling for LBing.

Tony
.


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I'm torn as to which side to take here. While I'm greatful for the romote
places that I might not have discovered due to just being out hiking on the
trail of a letterbox, I have to admit, there is a sense of disappointment if
I get to the destination and there is no reward. I don't consider myself a
stamp whore (could that be a new trail name?), but I do like the little bit
of reward at the end of the rainbow.

My 2 cents . . .

Fishman


From: "tony pecchia"
Reply-To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
To:
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: NE Lbs
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:23:43 -0400

I understand that, but it gets frustrating, even with the more ambigous
clues, when you don't know if you've actually found the right spot.
Especially when you contact the placer to double check and they never
respond.

Tony

----- Original Message -----
From: mjpepe1@comcast.net
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: NE Lbs


Boxes could go missing right after the most concientous placer checks
them.
You always run that risk of not finding a box. You should get used to it.
That's why some of us enjoy the hunt and look at the box as a bonus.

Mark

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "tony pecchia"
I think it's a little crass to place a box, post the clues, and then
never check up on it. Especially when there are people who do a considerable
amount of travelling for LBing.

Tony
.


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I had a wonderful day boxing at Talcott Mountain in CT. Avon area. The hike was short but with a spectacular scenic payoff, the tower at the top had it's own self-guided tour and was SOOOO interesting, and the mountain was seeded with boxes from the entrance road, to the top of the mountain. A nice variety of boxers have planted there, so you can collect lots of different art and I really didn't want to leave. I want to go back!

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-Sounds like you have had some frustrating experinces lately. Boxes go missing
frequently, it's just part of the game. I have found from experience the longer you box the
less important finding the box becomes. When you are a new boxer and don't have many
boxes in your area and have to go a long way to find them it's a real let down not to find
the box.
Be the boxer you want others to be, respond to emails check your boxes, all that stuff. I
depend on e-mails from finders for my far flung boxes. If there is a problem I want to
know, I may not get to the box but I enlist help from locals.
I know I know I should use spell check, Cyclonic.

-- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "tony pecchia" wrote:
>
> Sorry, don't agree. If I'm spending several hours between deciphiring clues, going to the
location, and searching, the LB had better be there. I think it's a little crass to place a box,
post the clues, and then never check up on it. Especially when there are people who do a
considerable amount of travelling for LBing.
>
> Tony
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: uneksia
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 2:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: NE Lbs
>
>
> i might be wrong but i don't think tgd is referring to the number of
> letterboxes around new england, but rather the idea of "making the drive,
> and not finding anything." letterboxing is not about finding anything. it is
> about the experience.
>
> smile
> uneksia
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Rick from Boca
> Date: 03/13/07 09:12:54
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [LbNA] Re: NE Lbs
>
> Yes, I figure in NE you can't throw a rock and not hit a LB. As
> compared to the relative dearth in other areas... like central NJ.
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Brian, Ryan & Lori"
> wrote:
> >
> > Is this a joke?
> >
> > Brian
> > TeamGreenDragon
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Why do there need to be sides at all? Tony has his way of letterboxing
and that works for him. If other people don't do it that way, it is
not for them.

I am all for everyone sharing their own opinions but there is no need
to make Tony defend the fact that he really likes actually finding a
letterbox when he goes looking... is there? KWIM? [not that I am
picking on you, Fishman, the word "side" just caught my eye is all]

Anyhoo... I personally also really enjoy actually finding a box when I
go looking for it. I do very much enjoy the process of going outside
and seeing new places but...if I don't find the box, then I wonder
what I did wrong and hey, that's no fun.

And there is my 2 cents too.

--Freelance Mystic



On 3/13/07, Pete Mandeville wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I'm torn as to which side to take here. While I'm greatful for the romote
> places that I might not have discovered due to just being out hiking on the
> trail of a letterbox, I have to admit, there is a sense of disappointment
> if
> I get to the destination and there is no reward. I don't consider myself a
> stamp whore (could that be a new trail name?), but I do like the little bit
> of reward at the end of the rainbow.
>
> My 2 cents . . .
>
> Fishman
>
> From: "tony pecchia"
> Reply-To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> To:
> Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: NE Lbs
> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:23:43 -0400
>
> I understand that, but it gets frustrating, even with the more ambigous
> clues, when you don't know if you've actually found the right spot.
> Especially when you contact the placer to double check and they never
> respond.
>
> Tony
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mjpepe1@comcast.net
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 1:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: NE Lbs
>
> Boxes could go missing right after the most concientous placer checks
> them.
> You always run that risk of not finding a box. You should get used to it.
> That's why some of us enjoy the hunt and look at the box as a bonus.
>
> Mark
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "tony pecchia"
> I think it's a little crass to place a box, post the clues, and then
> never check up on it. Especially when there are people who do a
> considerable
> amount of travelling for LBing.
>
> Tony
> .
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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I agree - no correct way of letterboxing.
Different strokes for different folks . . .

and so on and so on . . . .


-------------- Original message --------------
From: "FM Girl"
Why do there need to be sides at all? Tony has his way of letterboxing
and that works for him. If other people don't do it that way, it is
not for them.
.


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"Boxes go missing
frequently, it's just part of the game."

They do go missing but as a community we should encourage good maintenance practices.

Perhaps as a community we can consider a hider's list of principles:

*plant in safe, family-friendly locations
*post accurate clues
*check or have someone check occassionally to see if landmarks have changed
*check or have someone check occassionally to see if the box is still there and in good shape
*respond to email on a timely basis
*if a box is reported missing put a note on the clue page and solicit help in confirming the missing status if you can't get out to check yourself
*update your clue page whenever needed to inform finders about the conditions/status of the box.

I'd also like to note this from AQ (Apr 23 2006):
"all boxes that don't have an owner who has logged into AQ for one full year, I'm going to set those boxes up as being available for adoption. Less than 1% of the boxes on AQ fit this description, and as long as you log in once a year, you're boxes won't go up for adoption. This is about people who've stopped letterboxing altogether--or at least left clues on AQ that they no longer maintain."
http://www.atlasquest.com/boards/message.html?gMsgId=20557

I don't think LBNA has a system in place to purge boxes that have been abandoned or are missing (although they will allow adoptions if it can be shown that the box is indeed missing).

Lone R

mizscarlet731 wrote: -Sounds like you have had some frustrating experinces lately. Boxes go missing
frequently, it's just part of the game. I have found from experience the longer you box the
less important finding the box becomes. When you are a new boxer and don't have many
boxes in your area and have to go a long way to find them it's a real let down not to find
the box.
Be the boxer you want others to be, respond to emails check your boxes, all that stuff. I
depend on e-mails from finders for my far flung boxes. If there is a problem I want to
know, I may not get to the box but I enlist help from locals.
I know I know I should use spell check, Cyclonic.

-- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "tony pecchia" wrote:
>
> Sorry, don't agree. If I'm spending several hours between deciphiring clues, going to the
location, and searching, the LB had better be there. I think it's a little crass to place a box,
post the clues, and then never check up on it. Especially when there are people who do a
considerable amount of travelling for LBing.
>
> Tony
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: uneksia
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 2:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: NE Lbs
>
>
> i might be wrong but i don't think tgd is referring to the number of
> letterboxes around new england, but rather the idea of "making the drive,
> and not finding anything." letterboxing is not about finding anything. it is
> about the experience.
>
> smile
> uneksia
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Rick from Boca
> Date: 03/13/07 09:12:54
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [LbNA] Re: NE Lbs
>
> Yes, I figure in NE you can't throw a rock and not hit a LB. As
> compared to the relative dearth in other areas... like central NJ.
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Brian, Ryan & Lori"
> wrote:
> >
> > Is this a joke?
> >
> > Brian
> > TeamGreenDragon
> >






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Lone R

I believe as a community we DO all those things you listed. At least the
involved people do. I really don't see any way to make it any better. You
can't force planters to do the right thing.

Some people, who get into LBing for a short time, really excited about it,
they find, they plant, and then they leave. Nothing much that can be done
to prevent that. It happens.

Just as in anything, some people will be more "responsible" and some won't.

These things are why new boxers are discouraged from planting.

I agree that on letterboxing.org could have a program for "orphaned" boxes.

In fact though, I recently reported a missing box, after invesitaging I
discovered it had been abandoned. I contacted LB.org and asked if I could
adopt it. The process was quickly completed and it is my box now. So, they
do have that option.

RIFamily


regarding
"Boxes go missing
frequently, it's just part of the game."

They do go missing but as a community we should encourage good maintenance
practices.

Perhaps as a community we can consider a hider's list of principles:

*plant in safe, family-friendly locations
*post accurate clues
*check or have someone check occassionally to see if landmarks have changed
*check or have someone check occassionally to see if the box is still there
and in good shape
*respond to email on a timely basis
*if a box is reported missing put a note on the clue page and solicit help
in confirming the missing status if you can't get out to check yourself
*update your clue page whenever needed to inform finders about the
conditions/status of the box.

I'd also like to note this from AQ (Apr 23 2006):
"all boxes that don't have an owner who has logged into AQ for one full
year, I'm going to set those boxes up as being available for adoption. Less
than 1% of the boxes on AQ fit this description, and as long as you log in
once a year, you're boxes won't go up for adoption. This is about people
who've stopped letterboxing altogether--or at least left clues on AQ that
they no longer maintain."
http://www.atlasquest.com/boards/message.html?gMsgId=20557

I don't think LBNA has a system in place to purge boxes that have been
abandoned or are missing (although they will allow adoptions if it can be
shown that the box is indeed missing).

Lone R
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This is a lively discussion. Does it have to be one way or the other? I very much enjoy the mystery, the hike AND finding the box; knowing all the while that finding the box may not occur. I don't get upset if the reward can't be found, but I am disappointed.

My 4 cents (allowing for inflation)

SAGACORN

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I look at finding a letterbox kind of like finding a pirate's treasure. Or
searching deep waters for sunken ships with treasure. I expect nothing.
Because nobody knows. And if I find it, I'm most pleasantly surprised.

As far as the principles......I don't mind "encouraging" things, that's
great, but writing up a list of principles? Yuck.

There really is no such thing as a safe, family-friendly location. First
off, some placers might not really care if "families" find their boxes or
not. Not everyone plants for families. Nothing wrong with that.

But that aside, a lot of planters might not know what the crime might be
like in an area they plant a box in, and might innocently think it's a
decent area. And, crime aside, what's safe for one person might not be safe
for the physical or mental limitations of the next person.

As a FINDER, I consider it MY responsibility to research that before I set
out. Out here in the Chicago suburbs, many folks feel the Illinois Prairie
Path is very safe -- it looks safe -- they might be surprised to find out
just how much crime actually is committed on the path -- muggings, flashers,
robberies, etc. Yet it certainly looks very safe. )That's why I have two
boxes planted on the path north of the IPP -- the Great Western Trail --
because statistically, there's been much less crime on the GWT. But
anything can happen anyplace, and if someone doesn't think it can, they're
just setting themselves up to end up in trouble. ALWAYS be prepared.

Accurate clues? In general I'd agree, but many clues are much more accurate
than many people think but those people who think the clues are inaccurate
might just not be thinking outside the box the way they need to be for
following those particular clues.

Checking on the box or finding someone that will? That can mean no seed
boxes then in areas where boxes are incredibly sparce and thus letterboxers
are also sparce. I have two word-of-mouth boxes up in Rusk County, WI right
now that I'm not putting online on my website at all just because I'm not up
there enough at my place to keep them maintained and I don't really know
anyone that I can trust to truly keep an eye on them for me. There just
aren't many boxers in that neck of the woods (that I know of at least), and
I don't go to gatherings or anything to get to know them or anything if
there WERE any boxers up there. But.....maybe boxers would rather I DID
put them online so that they could at least go looking for them even if,
heaven forbid, they've gone missing or been badly damaged or something. At
least it gives a finder the option. They can take their chances and look
for it. Or not.

And it often seems, from the sound of it, that fewer and fewer people may be
contacting the placer when they do find boxes to report on the conditions.
But I would never ever trust someone to report my box missing and have the
box actually BE missing anyway. It might be. It might also be sittin'
right where I placed it.

Keep in mind, also, that although it might SEEM like all boxers are plugged
into online discussion groups, regional chat groups, forums, etc., I'll bet
that there are probably more boxers who aren't than who are. I think most
boxers mostly go to either LbNA or atlasquest for their clues and that's it.
They don't bother with discussion groups, chats, forums, etc. And the ones
who don't bother with those, aren't going to have much in the way of
resources as far as soliciting assistance on their boxes. Should they then
not plant boxes? Not in my opinion. I'd rather they plant and I'll take my
chances as to whether the box is still there and what shape it's in.

I might find the treasure. I might not. All in a day's search.

I figure that people who want to be spoon-fed something should make good use
of the "contact the placer" function. Find out before going what the place
is known to be like safety-wise, when the box was last checked, when the box
was last maintained, if the area is family-friendly, etc. And if the placer
either doesn't reply or the reply makes it sound as if it's iffy as to
conditions, then contact the placer of the NEXT box with the same questions
:-) and keep movin' on down the line until a box is found that seems, to
that particular finder, to be worth going in search of. I don't see
anything inherently wrong with folks wanting to be spoon-fed something, but
they could search out placers who ARE willing to spoon-feed them.

I guess I just wish folks would stop trying to make letterboxing a game
where all the square pegs have to go in all the square holes and all the
round pegs have to go in all the round holes, and just take it as it comes.
Sometimes it's kinda fun to take that square peg, a sledgehammer and
just......

~~ Mosey ~~

-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of R
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:26 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: NE Lbs


"Boxes go missing
frequently, it's just part of the game."

They do go missing but as a community we should encourage good maintenance
practices.

Perhaps as a community we can consider a hider's list of principles:

*plant in safe, family-friendly locations
*post accurate clues
*check or have someone check occassionally to see if landmarks have changed
*check or have someone check occassionally to see if the box is still there
and in good shape
*respond to email on a timely basis
*if a box is reported missing put a note on the clue page and solicit help
in confirming the missing status if you can't get out to check yourself
*update your clue page whenever needed to inform finders about the
conditions/status of the box.

I'd also like to note this from AQ (Apr 23 2006):
"all boxes that don't have an owner who has logged into AQ for one full
year, I'm going to set those boxes up as being available for adoption. Less
than 1% of the boxes on AQ fit this description, and as long as you log in
once a year, you're boxes won't go up for adoption. This is about people
who've stopped letterboxing altogether--or at least left clues on AQ that
they no longer maintain."
http://www.atlasquest.com/boards/message.html?gMsgId=20557

I don't think LBNA has a system in place to purge boxes that have been
abandoned or are missing (although they will allow adoptions if it can be
shown that the box is indeed missing).

Lone R

I sort of slipped through some of the comments on this
thread. One box comes to mind that makes me chuckle.

I checked a certain box that had not been checked in
months, it had no problem. Within a couple of days I
got an e-mail that it was missing from its spot, found
well away and opened, wet (veteran boxer saved remains
and put it back in right spot). I replaced what was
need. A few times in the next couple of weeks It was
reported missing, each time it was were it was
supposed to be. Then it was reported found be newbie
geocachers. They jammed it in the closed hole they
could find and e-mailed me. This box was the second in
the series, where the first box disappeared months
before. When I showed up to investigate, the stamp
from the missing 1st box was in box #2 and the #2
stamp was gone. No reply to my e-mails. Bizarre, yes,
expect anything on the trail, you bet. All happened in
a couple of weeks, so the point is that even people
who try to stay on top of things can't predict
tomorrow. Hope this made sense

J. Peter





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